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Ivan, 2004


 

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--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew Reyes <matt@astro.ufl.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:30:06 -0400
Subject: Hurricane Ivan Update
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

Webpage is updated:

http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/Reyes/Tropical/index.html

According to the latest track, Ivan is indeed slowing down and will not be at our latitude until Wednesday evening. More of the models are now tracking further westward, so it's looking better for those of us in Gainesville. However, given that we are still very near the bubble, there are a few outliers that aim our way, AND the previous disclaimer I mentioned regarding Ivan's fit into the models, we should be prepared to expect bad weather. Once it follows along the Yucatan current into the Gulf, expect the diameter of the storm to increase (Note: it is approaching the size of Frances).

See here:
http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Current/TRCIvan257_G12.jpg


One more thing about the "bubble"...despite the westerly tracks of the models, the NHC still has this to say in it's more recent forecast discussion:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/131455.shtml? HURRICANE IVAN DISCUSSION NUMBER 45 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 11 AM EDT MON SEP 13 2004 ...MID-LEVEL WIND FLOW ACROSS THE FLORIDA PENINSULA HAS ALSO VEERED FROM EASTERLY TO SOUTHERLY DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS...SUGGESTING THAT THE RIDGE HAS ERODED A LITTLE FARTHER EAST THAN THE NOGAPS AND GFDN MODELS HAVE BEEN FORECASTING. THEREFORE...THE FORECAST TRACK REMAINS ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.
The best that can be said right now is look for the first models that track the storm once it's in the Gulf, probably Tuesday afternoon's track. Chances are that I'll skip the 5pm imagery and wait till 11pm tonight.

More to come...

Matt


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew Reyes <matt@astro.ufl.edu>
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 03:53:23 -0400
Subject: Hurricane Ivan Update
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>
 

Hi Guys,

Webpage updated. Ivan is a Category Five storm that is not expected to weaken substantially before landfall.
http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/Reyes/Tropical/index.html
 

In this image I have overlaid the spaghetti plot over the official bubble and the windspeed plot that I have used in previous images. Future overlays will not include this the windspeed plot as I have come to realize that it could be misleading. The windspeed plot simply takes into account the black line and expands by the size of the storm the areas that might be subjected to certain winds assuming A) the hurricane follows that path and B) the hurricane doesn't increase in diameter. The windspeed plot does not take into account variations of other predictions (i.e. the bubble) and therefore isn't really informative.
 

What is clear though when you look at previous images is that these models 2-3 days in the future are subject to significant, growing variation. My favorite quote from Paul Valery comes to mind: "Même l'avenir n'est plus ce qu'il étai" (the future is not what it used to be). Monday evening's tracks will be interesting to see if the storm does start heading more to the east that has been expected.  However, keep in mind, we're still in the bubble, and sometime between Tuesday and Wednesday Gainesville is going to get some bad weather. Sadly, it won't be as bad as those on the coast.

One last comment about these models. The model makers have very little experience with storms of this intensity, they track well for smaller, weaker storms particularly over open water, but in this part of the hemisphere their accuracy is even more questionable. The landmasses and elevation changes of the Yucatan and Cuba, the particularly low pressure and high windspeed of the storm, and angle of attack are not very well established parameters. Keep that in mind when paying attention to the future track.
 

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/130237.shtml?
 

IT IS EXPECTED THAT IVAN WILL BE MOVING NORTHWARD THROUGH THE WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO. COMPARED TO YESTERDAY...THERE HAS BEEN INCREASE IN THE DYNAMICAL MODEL SPREAD BEYOND 48 HOURS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS SHIFTED A LITTLE MORE TO THE WEST BUT IS EAST OF THE CONSENSUS TRACK


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew Reyes <matt@astro.ufl.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:23:06 -0400
Subject: Hurricane Ivan Update
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>



Hi Guys, Discussion 42: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/122100.shtml? BECAUSE STEERING ARE CURRENTLY WEAK AND MAY WEAKEN EVEN MORE...THERE REMAINS CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY AS TO JUST WHEN AND WHERE...AND AT WHAT INTENSITY...IVAN WILL MAKE LANDFALL IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE LONGER TIME PERIODS.

I've updated the website again today:

http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/Reyes/Tropical/index.html

Some of you may recall that I've been saying that this storm wouldn't reach our latitude until sometime Wednesday evening...looks like I might be lucky with that, but the logic was based on the effects of the Cuban island landmass and mountains. Using that same logic and historical perspectives, I am also guessing that it's going to get significantly larger in diameter once portions actually pass over the island. Note, the red zones in the IR imagery have already expanded about 100+ miles in diameter over the past 24 hours. This storm could end up being as large as Frances! There is room to grow:


http://www.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/smcd/opdb/aviation/loops/realtime/atlwv_loope.html


So once again, I remind you that while the models may be indicators of where the center of the storm may end up, they do not suggest what the weather will be like for a certain area. We are on the edge of the bubble today, and even if the furthest paths hold true, we are at the very least going to get wet.


More to come...

Matt


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew F. Reyes <defiance@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:41:38 -0400
Subject: Hurricane Ivan Discussion 39
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>

 

Hi Guys,

The 11pm update is up. Don't trust that we're out of the yellow zone we are still in the "bubble".. I can't get a hold of the spaghetti model's graphic, however, the numbers are far apart for the distant future tracks. In the words of the NHC:

 
BEAR IN MIND THAT 3-4 DAY FORECASTS ARE FAR FROM EXACT...SO THERE IS
STILL CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY AS TO JUST WHEN AND WHERE IVAN WILL
MAKE LANDFALL IN THE UNITED STATES.

Not only that, but I'm also going to guess that after it passes over Cuba it is going to expand in diameter, therfore the wind tracks will also expand.

http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/Reyes/Tropical/index.html

Read the discussion below, too.

Matt

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: HURR IVAN Discussion 39
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 02:30:23 +0000
From: NHC Mail (Atlantic Full) <mail-storm-atlan-full@hogfish.nhc.noaa.gov>


 
000
WTNT44 KNHC 120225
TCDAT4
HURRICANE IVAN DISCUSSION NUMBER  39
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT SAT SEP 11 2004

THE HURRICANE HAS DEEPENED A LITTLE MORE THIS EVENING AND THE LAST
CENTRAL PRESSURE OBSERVATION...BY DROPSONDE FROM THE HURRICANE
HUNTERS...WAS 910 MB.  IVAN RANKS SIXTH FOR LOWEST ATLANTIC BASIN
CENTRAL PRESSURE BEHIND CAMILLE IN 1969 AND MITCH IN 1998 AT 905 MB
EACH...ALLEN IN 1980 AT 899 MB...THE 1935 LABOR DAY HURRICANE AT
892 MB...AND GILBERT IN 1988 AT 888 MB. BOTH THE ATMOSPHERIC AND
OCEANIC ENVIRONMENT ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN FAVORABLE FOR THE NEXT
DAY OR SO...AND IVAN COULD STRENGTHEN EVEN MORE. HOWEVER...THERE IS
NO SKILL IN PREDICTING INTENSITY CHANGES FOR SUCH EXTREME TROPICAL
CYCLONES.  IT SUFFICES TO SAY THAT IVAN IS LIKELY TO HAVE A
DEVASTATING IMPACT OVER PORTIONS OF THE CAYMAN ISLANDS AND WESTERN
CUBA. AFTER IVAN MOVES INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE SHIPS MODEL
SHOWS INCREASING SHEAR...SO SOME WEAKENING IS FORECAST IN 2-3 DAYS.
NOTWITHSTANDING...IVAN IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN A POWERFUL AND
DANGEROUS HURRICANE WHEN IT MAKES LANDFALL SOMEWHERE ALONG THE GULF
COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE EYE HAS BEEN WOBBLING OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS...BUT THE AIRCRAFT
FIXES GIVE AN OVERALL MOTION OF ABOUT 285/7.  AS A WEAK LOW MOVES
SOUTHEASTWARD FROM THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY REGION...THE
MID-TROPOSPHERIC RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF THE HURRICANE IS FORECAST TO
WEAKEN...SO A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE NORTHWEST IS PREDICTED. 
LATER IN THE PERIOD...IVAN SHOULD TURN NORTHWARD AND MOVE THROUGH
THE WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE. THE CURRENT NHC TRACK FORECAST HAS BEEN
ADJUSTED VERY SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT OF THE PREVIOUS ONE...BUT IT IS
ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE SUITE.

BEAR IN MIND THAT 3-4 DAY FORECASTS ARE FAR FROM EXACT...SO THERE IS
STILL CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY AS TO JUST WHEN AND WHERE IVAN WILL
MAKE LANDFALL IN THE UNITED STATES.
 
FORECASTER PASCH
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
 
INITIAL      12/0300Z 18.3N  80.0W   145 KT
 12HR VT     12/1200Z 19.0N  81.0W   145 KT
 24HR VT     13/0000Z 20.3N  82.4W   145 KT
 36HR VT     13/1200Z 21.6N  83.7W   145 KT
 48HR VT     14/0000Z 23.3N  84.5W   130 KT
 72HR VT     15/0000Z 27.0N  85.5W   115 KT
 96HR VT     16/0000Z 31.0N  85.5W    70 KT...INLAND
120HR VT     17/0000Z 36.0N  83.0W    20 KT...INLAND
 
$$


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew Reyes <matt@astro.ufl.edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:58:09 -0400
Subject: Hurricane Ivan Update
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I've updated the track for Ivan as of 11pm this evening. Note this new track is essentially the same as the previous track with the spaghetti model...implying a possible increase in reliability in the accuracy of the bubble. In this case, I've gone ahead and overlaid windspeed data that indicates where Hurricane force winds may be felt, Gaineville is in the blue section, meaning that we may expect  sustained winds between 60-75 mph.

Go here:

http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/Reyes/Tropical/index.html



Keep in mind two things: First, the damage that we have witnessed in Gainesville was the result of winds gusting up to 60-70 mph, not sustained winds. Gusts are expected to reach higher speeds. Second, these models lose reliability this far into the future. Sunday's and Monday's models will give us a better idea of what certainly could be a rough ride. Be prepared regardless.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT4+shtml/100232.shtml?

 
...AS THE SYSTEM CROSSES THE NORTHWESTERN
CARIBBEAN DURING THE NEXT 24-36 HR...THE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS SHOULD
REMAIN FAVORABLE ENOUGH TO ALLOW IVAN TO REGAIN CATEGORY 5 STATUS
AT SOME POINT DURING ITS FLUCTUATIONS DURING THE EYEWALL CYCLES. 
AFTER 48 HR...A GRADUAL INCREASE IN SHEAR AND INTERACTION WITH LAND
SHOULD CAUSE A GRADUAL WEAKENING.  HOWEVER...IVAN SHOULD REMAIN A
MAJOR HURRICANE UNTIL LANDFALL IN FLORIDA.
Matt
 
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matthew F. Reyes <defiance@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:04:32 -0400
Subject: Ivan Update (Still Cat. 4)
To: "Matthew F. Reyes" <motorbikematt@gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

The 11am update is up. I might not get to the 5pm one today, but check the site around that time anyway.

http://www.hos.ufl.edu/ferllab/reyes/tropical/

Note, Gainesville is still in the yellow zone, suggesting up to 60mph sustained winds. The models are suggesting a more westward heading now, however there are two issues with this. First off, the storm will likely expand in diameter once it passes over Havana. Second, the turbulent effects of passing over widely varying elevations to the east and west of Havana may also tweak the eventual path and speed of the storm. Therefore the obvious still remains....we don't know details yet, but we're in for some bad weather.

More to come...

Matt